I didnt know why, but I was going nuts. You know, its not every day you get a top-secret memo, and not just a top-secret memo from GCHQ, but a top-secret memo from the NSA sent to GCHQ. AMY GOODMAN: GCHQ leads an investigation. And so we had at least that. And then, finally, it came to me. is an independent global news hour that airs on nearly 1,400 TV and radio stations Monday through Friday. AMY GOODMAN: I know. ED VULLIAMY: Yeah, I came upon an extension number. Katharine Gun. She was brought up in Taiwan her parents moved there to work when she was three and so was fluent in Mandarin. I mean, you were the man of the hour. The message requested Katharine's assistance in co-ordinating an illegal US-UK spy operation which would secure UN authorisation for the Iraq invasion. So, I called him and asked him if he could do anything to help track down Frank Koza, or the reality or otherwise of this individual. But we werewithin The Observer, AMY GOODMAN: Of course, thats the time you should run the fastest to the editor, but. Someone within the antiwar movement, who was a former journalist, took the memo initially to another newspaper. Jack Goldsmith, former head of the Office of Legal Counsel under President George W. Bush, discusses the limits of executive power with Christiane Amanpour. Well, now Katharine Guns story is being told in the new film Official Secrets, starring Keira Knightley. But they not only are saying they are going to crack down hard on the leaker, but theyre also saying they will crack down on the press, any press that reports this in Britain. AMY GOODMAN: Twenty-seven years old, working for thewell, for British intelligence. JACQUELINE JONES: [played by Katherine Kelly] Intelligence may be being manipulated to take this country to war. It would show that there isnt a double standard. Gun also received the Sam Adams Award, which is awarded to intelligence agents who take a stand for ethics and integrity. You tried to call. When Elisabeth Finch met Jennifer Beyer in 2019, the two women forged a fiercely loyal friendship, and eventually got married. So, naturally, it's Katharine Gun who's being punished. KATHARINE GUN: I work for the British people. "At the back of my mind, the question remained: 'What are they going to do to me? Everybody knows it. She'd been reading up on the preparations being made for a US-led invasion and wasn't convinced by the arguments; images of the first Gulf War she'd seen in her teenage years had forever been seared onto her mind. Says He Will Sign Bill Criminalizing Drag as Old Photo of Him in Drag Circulates, Lori Lightfoot Loses Reelection for Chicago Mayor; Paul Vallas & Brandon Johnson Advance to Runoff, El Salvadors Pres. She wondered if the economic sanctions that were supposed to choke Saddams dictatorship were instead, as the critics maintained, causing a genocide of Iraqis. We were going to bring all of this out and it was all going to be in the public. Instead, the case was droppeda temporary relief for her, but a troubling outcome on a greater scale, since it essentially meant they slammed the door shut on that discussion.. So, today, at the age of 59, Cary Stayner is incarcerated at the San Quentin State Prison. On the phone, she tells me how she came to be there. Nerves tingling, she went home. And your memo, that you had leaked, was right front and center. KATHARINE GUN: Actually, time-wise, I was bailed for eight months. TINTIN: [played by Peter Guinness] Your supervisor speaks highly of your integrity. It was particularly explosive in Chile, which has obviously been used to American intelligence. Katharine Gun works for British Intelligence, but struggles with the lies governments are telling the public in the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Who Is Yasar Gun? Gun, youre a spy. whistleblower and former specialist for Britains Government Communications Headquarters. I gather intelligence so that the government can protect the British people. Some of it was to do with complications over an unfortunate spell check within the memo. Ten years ago, a young Mandarin specialist at GCHQ, the government's surveillance centre in Cheltenham, did something extraordinary. KNIGHTLEY: Governments change. The advice was that, by accepting what she'd done was illegal, the jail time might end up reduced. Gun had, of course, been forced to abandon her career in the civil service and finally, struggling for work, left Britain altogether. GCHQ began a leak inquiry, interviewing everyone. Yasar Gun is the husband of a British whistleblower, Katharine Gun, who revealed top-secret information. Marcia Mitchell is a writer, researcher, and the author of "The Spy Who Tried to Stop a War: Katharine Gun and the Secret Plot to Sanction the Iraq Invasion." This and her other writings about intelligence issues have been critically acclaimed. KATHARINE GUN: The idea was to gather information that they could use to bribe them or, you know, threaten them into voting yes for the resolution. So, what did it say and what was your decision-making process? And thats really where the story started for Ed and myself on The Observer, was process of verification. KATHARINE GUN: If we do not go public, we would be conceding that no one can ever tell the people when their government is lying. JERRY: [played by Chris Reilly] Hes a Muslim. Yasur Gunnis is the husband of Katharine Gun, a linguist who specializes in translating Mandarin Chinese into English. As Iraq descended into chaos, Katharine was arrested and charged with breaching the Official Secrets Act. Sign up for our Daily News Digest today! Drawing on more than 100,000 leaked documents, a. You didnt know who Katharine Gun was, who had leaked it, but you had the story of the memo that was going to get the goods on these U.N. Security Council members, which would force them to vote for the invasion of Iraq. In 2004, Democracy Now! As of 2020, Gun and her husband Yasar live in both Turkey and Britain. After this, the authorities again started plotting to deport Yasar back to the Middle East. "Once that initial flurry died down," says Katharine, "I returned to London to meet with the team from Liberty and my lawyer, Ben Emmerson. If people knew about this, nobody would support this invasion.. KATHARINE GUN: My husband had absolutely nothing to do with this. On 5 March Gun confessed to leaking the plot and was arrested for violating the Official Secrets Act. We're sitting together in a quiet room at the headquarters of human rights organisation Liberty, just around the corner from the streets through which she'd been marching. Its you either go to war based on a U.N. resolutionwere all going togetheror youve got to prove, you know, a genuine threat to youryou know, its a self-defense argument. She struggled to find work after being sacked by GCHQ but she has no regrets. '", Things moved slowly from then. "The problem was that I just didn't feel guilty," she tells me. Katharine Gun's age is listed as 47 years old as of 2021. Just put me through. And, sure enough, Frank Koza. That was a good brain moment. Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war. She became the spy who tried to stop a war. At the time, the paper, their paper, The Observer, was openly supporting the Iraq invasion, leading up to it. He remains on death row as of July 2021, but there have been zero executions in the state of California since a 2006 court . Former British intelligence officer Katharine Gun didnt set out to become a whistle-blower. Katharine Gun, a shy and studious 28-year-old who spent her days listening in to obscure Chinese intercepts, decided to tell the world about a secret plan by the US government to spy on the United . What were you employed to do? Let us learn more about the duo and where they are currently. With no plan and no contacts, a duty solicitor who was well out of her depth was called. AMY GOODMAN: Thats the trailer for the new movie Official Secrets, based on the true-life story of whistleblower Katharine Gun. Please do your part today. He said there were no WMD left, just a few old mustard gas shells already given to the UN weapons inspectors. AMY GOODMAN: And who were these six countries? KATHARINE GUN: Well, no, I was in a shock when I saw it. Back in 30 seconds. But, many in the U.S. might not know the story of the 2003, In 2003, Gun worked for GCHQ, the British government agency that is equivalent to the National Security Agency across the pond. For more on this incredible story and the real-life thriller that is coming out on August 30th in movie theaters around the countryour guest, Katharine Gun, is played by Keira Knightleywere joined by Katharine Gun herself, the whistleblower, former employee of Britains global surveillance center, GCHQ, played by actress Keira Knightley, yes. So we at least hadwe at least had a lead. In his memoir of office, Decision Points, George W. Bush writes about going to see Tony Blair in the Azores in the last days before the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Wise man. interviewed Katharine Gun. And what happened? And thats where you get through. You didnt. KATHARINE GUN: And then I mailed it to a contact, who then passed it on to a journalist, who then passed it on to Martin Bright. But nonetheless, you wanted to do that. At the time, I was really focused on the Iraq invasion issue, Gun told Vanity Fair this month, ahead of the August 30 premiere of Official Secrets, an intelligence thriller recounting this terrifying chapter of her life and starring Keira Knightley. Yeah, and those are the. Her late husband, Tom, a former special agent of the FBI and one-time head of counter-intelligence in New York, co-authored the Gun . KATHARINE GUN: Well, I didnt do anything immediately, but I went home. Im Amy Goodman. The true story of British Intelligence whistleblower Katharine Gun, who leaked a top-secret NSA memo exposing a joint US-UK illegal spying operation. We need another Katharine Gun. We had at least a name. The Smash actress, 36, admitted her 35-year age gap with Foster, 71, was a concern for her - but more because of the . Theyd already escorted him down to the custody suite and begun the process. It was intended for someone else but had been distributed to everyone in her section. She is known for having exposed a plan by the US government to spy on the United Nations shortly before a vote concerning America's illegal invasion of Iraq. But its not hard to guess from the, In 2013, Gun spoke with journalist Martin Bright, who published Guns leaked memo and plays a major role in the film, in an interview published by. GUN: Thats right. As the build-up to war continued, Gun felt increasing dismay. Katharine Gun, a shy and studious 28-year-old who spent her days listening in to obscure Chinese intercepts, decided to tell the world about a secret plan by the US government to spy on the United Nations.. She had received an email in her inbox asking her and . Truth has a habit of . Katharine Teresa Gun (ne Harwood; born 1974) is a British whistleblower who worked as a linguist at the Government Communication Headquarters (GCHQ; a British intelligence facility) from 2001 to 2003. After a long weekend of contemplation, Gunwho had been one of about 100 people to receive the memodecided to print out the letter and send it to a journalist via an intermediary. And at the time, The Observer newsroom wasand The Observer itself was split, because some people supported the war, some people didnt. Katharine Teresa Gun (ne Harwood) (born 1974) is a British linguist who worked as a translator for the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). On one trip to the authorities, they detained Yasar. Katharine Gun : Yas, I understand why you are angry. Thanks so much for joining us. Yasur is a Turkish Kurd who is married to 47-year-old Katharine. "But there are things you have to do not for the result but for the principle, because they are right.". Even before the invasion, she suspected that the US was cooking up intelligence about Iraqi WMD. When she arrived, escorted by security, all her colleagues knew too. The daughter of Maurizio Gucci and Patrizia Reggiani was overwhelmed as a child by a wave of tragedy and looked for a gasp of air to breathe, even as sharks circled all around. Now, she tells, Monica Lewinskys Verdict on the Johnny DeppAmber Heard Trial: We Are All Guilty. Im Amy Goodman. She was arrested and held at the police station in Cheltenham for 24 hours before being bailed. Within half an hour, the prosecution had decided to drop its case, for reasons that to this day remain mysterious. I think the film will help to focus people on those issues again. Together they have a 13-year-old daughter. You think this is real, but you do have to track it down. A New Film Tells Her Story, Part 2: 15 Years Later: How U.K. Whistleblower Katharine Gun Risked Everything to Leak a Damning Iraq War Memo, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Senate Holds Equal Rights Amendment Hearing as U.S. Court Denies Attempt to Include in Constitution, Bola Tinubu of Ruling Party Wins Nigeria Election Amid Low Turnout, Rigging Charges, Hundreds of Iranian Schoolgirls Suffered Toxic Poisonings in Last Four Months, Biden Names Labor Advocate Julie Su to Lead Labor Dept. GUN: Well, simply the e-mail was from the NSA, which is the U.S. equivalent of GCHQ, and it was asking for our assistance, GCHQs assistance, in collecting information from six of the swing U.S. Security Council swing nations. Then the story went away, and that's how I wanted it at that time, because I was actually quite traumatized by the whole thing. She did add, however, that she's hopeful the film will shed much needed light on the subject. In bugging, in spying on, in eavesdropping, wiretapping, whatever? Katharine Gun worked as an analyst for Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), the British equivalent of the secretive U.S. National Security Agency. Neither have many others, especially . Ad Choices, In any walk of life, you can choose to do the right thing, whistle-blower Katharine Gun, whom Knightley plays in the film, told, Jimmy Kimmel Roasts Fragile Snowflake Donald Trump for Allegedly Trying to Censor Him, Scene Stealer: The True Lies of Elisabeth Finch, Part 1, Scene Stealer: The True Lies of Elisabeth Finch, Part 2. Katherine Ryan's Family. What Really Happened During the Making of. Her late husband, Tom, a former special agent of the FBI and one-time head of . As noted in online sources, the former spy's birth year is recorded to be 1974. Her name is Katharine Gun.Watch Part 1 of this discussion: https://youtu.be/u6n1VFDJ3CY#DemocracyNowDemocracy Now! It took a maddeningly long periodeight months of existential limbobefore Gun was charged with violating the Official Secrets Act. "I got into the office, turned on my computer and looked through my emails," says Katharine, more than 16 years later. After the issue, they moved to Turkey in 2011 with her whole family to avoid the general public eye. . JASMINE: [played by MyAnna Buring] Youre asking me to collude in a breach of the Official Secrets Act. KATHARINE GUN: It was a full nine to 10 months after the event. BEN EMMERSON: [played by Ralph Fiennes] You might need our help. In January 2003, 28-year-old GCHQ translator Katharine Gun received an email from the US National Security Agency that would turn her world upside down. AMY GOODMAN: As the British government says its identified the person who leaked cables that forced out the British ambassador to the United States for calling President Trump inept, we look at the real-life political thriller of a British intelligence specialist who risked everything to blow the whistle on U.S. dirty tricks at the United Nations in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion. I remember the first time I really understood what love was or at least what a nine-year-old could understand as romantic love. Now, the political thriller, In case you arent too familiar with Guns story, I dont want to give too much away about what the movie shows. No, you just do not do stuff like that. AMY GOODMAN: So, Katharine, you read this memo. The drums of war are rolling at that period. Economist Jomo Kwame Sundaram on World Bank, Climate Emergency, Global Debt Crisis & More, We Want a Better Future: Meet an Asylum Seeker Evicted from, Jeremy Scahill on Mistreatment of Whistleblowers & Uneven Enforcement of Laws over Classified Papers, Part 1: In 2003, This U.K. Whistleblower Almost Stopped the Iraq Invasion. Katharine Gun. What do you do? I think of journalists as being bullet-proof in a way. Currently, Katharine Ross is 82 years old as she was born on 29th January 1940. It is my fault and I'm sorry. AMY GOODMAN: This is a remarkable story. Her story was adapted into the film Official Secrets in 2019. Gun, 29, was . When charges were officially pressed, Guns identity was revealed too. I was initially terrified, Gun said, before learning the sad truth of the 24-hour news cycle: But people dont pay that much attention to the news, and they dont remember peoples names and you certainly dont remember what people look like. This article was originally published inThe Spectators UK magazine. I do not gather intelligence so that the government can lie to the British people. So, I decided that the risk to my career was minute compared to the upcoming war in Iraq, and the best thing to do for me was to leak this information to the press, so that everybody else could have the information, and hopefully it could avert this disastrous course of events that have occurred. The Drudge Report, famous right-wing website, had followed the story up. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, you work for the British government? And I justyou know, I just collapsed. What? And what we are seeing is a movement of people who are trying to stop it. '", Meanwhile, the war in Iraq had already started. In 2003, Katharine Gun was working for Britains Government Communications Headquarters, known as GCHQ, the intelligence agency similar to the National Security Agency here, when she opened a top-secret NSA memorandum. Join The Spectator community and view or post a comment on this article. We speak with a British whistleblower whose attempts to expose lies about the Iraq invasion was called \"the most important and courageous leak\" in history by acclaimed Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg. Again, this is before the Iraq War. And also, the memo itself contained language that was consistent with intelligence service language, so we had experts look at that, as well. LONDON FEBRUARY 25: Former employee of Britains global surveillance center GCHQ (Government Communications Head Quarters) Katharine Gun smiles as she speaks to the media during a press conference February 25, 2004 in London, England. After the meeting, the Brits and the Americans shook hands on the tarmac and walked to their planes. And then they changed their headline, from Condi Rice orders operation at the NSA and GCHQ to British newspaper prints fake memo.. At the end of the day, we are accountable to our conscience. She had a leading role in the 1969 film, "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" and Elliott had a small, untitled role. . In January 2003, British intelligence analyst Katharine Gun read an email from U.S. officials who were trying to enlist their British counterparts in a public relations campaign to support . Its 15 years later. Sam Eliott and Katharine Ross . It wasn't that she was naive. It later emerged that the newspaper was collaborating very, very closely with Tony Blair and his sort of enforcers to keep this kind of thing out of the paper. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. This is of no use to me at all. And she turned the piece of paper over, and on the back someone had written the header information. Now the public knew. Two weeks later, on the 15th of February, 2003, a million people took to the streets of London to protest the prospect of Britain joining the war in Iraq. LONDON - FEBRUARY 25: Former employee of Britain's global surveillance center GCHQ (Government Communications Head Quarters) Katharine Gun smiles as she speaks to the media during a press conference February 25, 2004 in London, England. Subscribe to the US edition here. To revist this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. I could not get it in the paper. ONLINE:YouTube: http://youtube.com/democracynow Facebook: http://facebook.com/democracynow Twitter: https://twitter.com/democracynowInstagram: http://instagram.com/democracynowSoundCloud: http://soundcloud.com/democracynow iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/democracy-now!-audio/id73802554 Daily Email Digest: https://democracynow.org/subscribe You worked for GCHQ in Britain. On January 23 2003, Gun, who worked at GCHQ translating messages from Mandarin Chinese into English, discovered an email from American intelligence agent Frank Koza. But I watched Blair with his smug smile and his sterile speeches that tell us nothing . The memo proposed blackmailing smaller, undecided member states into voting for war. I do not gather intelligence so that the government can lie to the British people. There was also the question of the plea: would she admit to being guilty or argue her innocence? BEN EMMERSON: Your marriage will be interrogated. AMY GOODMAN: And then everyoneFOX, CNNand then they all cancel. "My boys," the "Waitress" actress captioned the snap . You cannot talk to anyone about your intelligence work. Whistleblower Katharine Gun and journalist Martin Bright are interviewed for their new movie Official Secrets for the film's LFF screening. AMY GOODMAN: The guy at the NSA. And whereas usually with a whistleblower, you would work very closely with them directly, Katharine didnt come to me. She remains an intensely private personbut, when director Gavin Hood began the process of adapting 2008s The Spy Who Tried to Stop a War: Katharine Gun and the Secret Plot to Sanction the Iraq Invasion, by Marcia and Thomas Mitchell, Gun felt it necessary to revisit this difficult chapter of her life to help make the film. We speak with a British whistleblower whose attempts to expose lies about the Iraq invasion was called "the most important and courageous leak" in history by. Angola, Cameroon, Bulgaria, Chile, GAVIN HOOD: Pakistan and Mexico. Katharine Gun (ne Harwood), 47, is married to Yasar Gn, a Turkish Kurd, with whom she has a 13-year old daughter. The Crown Prosecution Service was about to charge her. Katherine is the eldest of three sisters. And . When you go to court, you face years in prison. The Americans had sent GCHQ a request to spy on the UN ambassadors of the six countries with the important, perhaps swing, votes. She found the contents absolutely stunning. But when she arrived for her trial at the Old Bailey, the prosecution dropped the case with no explanation. That contact had connections with the antiwar movement. Finally, she called someone (she has never named) who had connections to the media, telling them: I have something explosive, I think it has the potential to avert a war with Iraq. She went back into work on Monday, printed the email, folded it neatly and put it in her bag. That does it for our show. In the movie "Official Secrets," the character called Katharine Gun, who is played by Keira Knightley, actually discusses this memo with colleagues at GCHQ. Katharine Gun explains how she exposed a plot by U.S. security officials to spy on United Nations members in 2003. Theyre cooking this up. Were going to do Part 2, and were going to post it online at democracynow.org, to talk about thesethe courage Katharine Gun had in revealing this information, and then what this means for whistleblowers today and for U.S.-British policy today. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Just for a moment, some imagined that this might be enough to stop the Iraq war before it had begun. The next morning, Katharine returned to the office as normal and got on with her work, trying as best as she could to not think about it. The diplomats were from member states of the 2003 Security Council, and they were due to vote on a second United Nations resolution on the future 2003 invasion of Iraq. Youve got CNN, youve got BBC, youve got everyone on the line. Some call that treason. After university and a couple of years teaching in Japan, she was back in Britain and looking for a job. The invasion proceeded more or less on time with a coalition of the willing led by the United States and Britain. It was only September 2002 but the carrier was about to leave for the Gulf. KATHARINE GUN: Well, they dropped the charges against me. Katharine feared she'd be fobbed off and then put under surveillance should she report it, so instead she kept silent and headed home for the weekend. MARTIN BRIGHT: Well, I did. The film stars Matthew Goode, Katherine Kelly, Keira Knightley and Ralph Fiennes. Watch our livestream 8-9AM ET: https://democracynow.orgPlease consider supporting independent media by making a donation to Democracy Now! But within days, Bush declared he no longer needed UN backing and invaded anyway. AMY GOODMAN: And talk about whatI mean, you risked everything. Right here. And I was petrified. This presented a problem. 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