It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Exactly, bis. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. But Ill tell you what, slavery and human sacrifice, still awful. He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. What is their strongest argument? But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. No. I know. If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. We do not know enough to be sure. Both of these need proof. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. As he states, The oral history of 20th-century racial violence has never been collected or collated, but it is thereand it is shocking.. Indeed, third-century York may have been more ethnically and racially diverse than present-day York. That was when the Democrats were still Americans. I imagine few do. BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3, The Meaning of Zong, Spacious open-plan family home in Muswell Hill, Five Cineworlds across south London still at risk of permanent closure, Residents who have 'suffered for years' to be asked if they want blocks knocked down, Dazzling Thamesmead light festival returns with performances, films and flash mob, Charlton murderer claims prison guards broke his arm and sues for 20k, Children and young people with eating disorders face treatment postcode lottery, Angry protests erupt over Greek rail disaster, How fake copyright complaints are muzzling journalists, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. So he calls himself a Geordie. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". I learned the hard way. If more African-Americans started to vote Republican and the Democrats felt they needed something radical to boost their offer, and had enough support from liberal whites and other groups to risk further losses among blue-collar whites, for example. I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. Long after he had published Corydon, his defence of pederasty. What has Nigeria ever done for him? We do not know for sure. Fair point. (At least in our society) Get over it. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. Perhaps Im a bit more culturally relativist these days, but just read it again, still absolutely awful. In the case of slavery the answer is clear. Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. We do not know how great the demand for women was. So is Richard Murphy. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. That may have caused more violence. Country Star Kacey Musgraves: Voting for Trump Is an Act of Violence. Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Indeed in many cases, whose ancestors didnt even live in France or England at the relevant time. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. Instead the racket still goes on with endless boatloads of illegals swarming into Europe. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. Societies have had a long history of treating minorities harshly. MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour?, True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral., But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom.. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. His current research focuses on stress, burnout, and wellbeing in sports, with a particular interest in high-performance environments and elite coaching. Sooner or later, we whites are going to have to take a stand, and say we aint taking this any more. I doubt that they are now firmly united in a common cause. Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Watching @worstall execute @richardjmurphy is like watching a very, very clever cat slowly killing at ataxic mouse. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. So he calls himself a Geordie. (Im just presenting the case here in reality there are obviously some big questions about the logic of Nuremberg etc, just as there are questions about how judges in Common Law occasionally summon up things as if they had always and forever been a part of the Law, albeit previously unrecorded, rather than something the judge just made up.). They may not be happy about Dresden or Hiroshima but their lives are much better. I could just as well feel something else entirely, and Im sceptical of all approaches to impose a supposedly universal, timeless or even just coherent, thats a challenge in itself ethical system. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. Which of those societies does Olusogas ancestry come from? How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. You may concede a point here, a point there. Olusogas ancestors will have participated in the capture of sale of slaves in Nigeria. This is nothing to do with slavery or as with black lives matter, blacks being shot, and everything to do with a shakedown of the white man. True that unlike certain other examples of slavery, you werent likely to be killed as part of a religious sacrifice or as part of your owners funeral. You can be redeemed, you worthless pasty people. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. There are probably a thousand organisations, charities and assorted grifters who would happily cash your cheque. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. For almost 60 years, there was impasse. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. The answer is money. Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. In that moment, his interest in history overlapped. He writes to inflame white guilt, so that you will ACCEPT destruction of your culture. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. many African tribes kept slaves. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. Not sure how sick this makes me. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. Video, 00:02:30Should black history be taught all year round? She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. After decades of complaints, the Royal African Company lost its monopoly in 1712 and, Olusoga writes, Independent traders were turned loose upon the shores of Africa. These traders had argued (stone-blind to irony) that the right to enslave Africans was a defining feature of English freedom and that the Royal African Company had breached their status as free-born Englishmen. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. Note, hes a renowned economist. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. Peter Olusoga. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. That assumes an increase in demand. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). Your email address will not be published. ", TV historian rejects 'nonsense' over keeping statues, What Black History Month is - and why it matters. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. This is indeed tu quoque. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing.. Fought to STOP southern independence. Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. Different people can argue the toss from different viewpoints and perspectives but in many ways their arguments pass each other like ships in the night, because they havent all got nobodys got an absolute frame of reference to judge things with respect to. Was never entirely sure which bits were believed and which bits were just a fun bit of intellectual muscle-flexing couldnt all have been intended seriously since so many posts contradicted each other. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. They all get it from White people inciting violence. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. Now sixteen sounds about okay to me if youre going to stick a limit somewhere, but then being British I suppose Im more likely to think the system Im accustomed to is normal and reasonable. Wrong ?!?! Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. What has he got to say about that? Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. Thats why we get it. I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. I just dont really get what Olusoga is saying. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. . In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. He is the undisputed King of the Internet Pedants and Lord of the Unnecessary Snark. Mans a loon. It could have ended earlier, but the planter interests in parliament defeated William Wilberforces attempts. I was doing some genealogy research when I discovered my great grandfather was a well known member of the 18th Kentucky Infantry. You should know better. Youre right, MBE. Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. Hundreds of White women raped every day. Duke University professor, William Darity Jr, and writer, Kirsten Mullen, jointly published a report for The Roosevelt Institute, an American liberal think tank, laying out a case for slavery reparations. 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